this makes the white house as extreme in the house who are willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of raising taxes on the wealthy. he's talking about the rates. he said rates on the wealthy. >> larry summers is a former treasury secretary, very smart, a harvard professor and we agree on a lot of things and that was not new. they've already agreed to raise rates on the wealthy. >> raising tax rates has been something the president's insisted on for two years. it was a central issue in the campaign. >> don't you think the republicans -- >> i think everybody gets it. the president is not signing legislation, no way, that does not raise tax rates. i think the president has been as clear as day that he will not do it without raising the level of tax. >> marginal? >> including marginal tax rates. he said the 35% rate has to move up, that base broadening alone is insufficient. >> maybe not 39.6. >> he has been as clear as day on that point. the president's position as i understand it has been that we have to raise rates but he is certainly prepared to combine rate raising with base broad